Thursday, April 30, 2009
"Officials from the North Central Regional Airport along with coordination from Clarksburg Travel Service arranged an afternoon of free flights. A Boeing 757 from Newark, New Jersey landed in Bridgeport to take passengers for a 30-minute flight around North Central West Virginia. The airport is trying reach a goal of 10,000 passengers for the year so it can be eligible for an airport improvement program grant."
Thanks to Bob Lawson, via Russell Sobel, for the pointer.
- All we've been fed is statistics about the number of cases and the number of deaths. These mean nothing by themselves. The important figures that need to go along with these are comparable diseases and their potency. According to Wikipedia, with good ol' normal influenza, "the worldwide death toll exceeds a few hundred thousand people a year." I'm also fairly certain that within the U.S., the toll is in the tens of thousands every year, though I can't find anything to back that up. But these numbers need to be kept in mind when considering the scope of swine flu.
Of more importance, though, is the potency of swine flu. No matter how widespread swine flu becomes-- if the death rate of swine flu victims is less than traditional influenza, is it something that should ever be dealt with over and above traditional influenza? Absolutely not, and that's the beauty of economics in dealing with health issues-- we can get at appropriate paths of action without placing a value on human life. Nonetheless, I haven't see percentage numbers. Perhaps N is still too small at this point. But I'd like to see exactly how much worse this swine flu is compared to other sicknesses.
- I'm not going to get worried until a healthy adult in America dies from this illness. Children, the elderly and anyone else with less-than-full-strength immune systems are more at risk for every sickness; swine flu is no different. Could a healthy adult die? Sure. But do past instances of supposedly deadly, human-race threatening diseases being overestimated lead us to believe that this might fall under the same category? You betcha.
- I wonder if the WHO is more likely to declare a disease more risky around budget determining time? I don't know who supports them, but that would be an excellent paper.
Wednesday, April 29, 2009
This decision, to me, comes down to the ability to secure rents in the public arena. You can split these rents into current (i.e. this Congress) and future (i.e. future Congresses) flows. Initially, before thinking about any of this, I'd presume that changing parties would help you secure rents in the present, but maybe with a tradeoff. This may come at the expense of angering your constituency, but the more I think about it, that may not be a large issue at all. Do constituents elect Republicans and Democrats, or individuals? If it's the former, they might be upset-- but if it's the latter, and a change in party generates more political power and more pork, all the better in the eyes of the voter.
Of course, there's a future rent flow to consider as well-- and that seems to be the underlying issue for Specter.
These are big moments in Congressional history; the Jeffords effect has received a fair amount of attention in the journal world.
The senator, who has represented Pennsylvania in the upper chamber since 1980, said he was "anxious" to stay in the Senate -- and he did not want to face a Republican primary in order to keep his seat next year.
"I was unwilling to subject my 29-year record in the U.S. Senate to the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," he said. "But I am pleased to run in the primary on the Democratic ticket and am ready, willing and anxious to take on all comers in the general election."
Polls suggested Specter would face a stiff primary challenge from Rep. Pat Toomey, who falls to his right on the political spectrum. Toomey nearly defeated Specter in the Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary in 2004.
Tuesday, April 28, 2009
Is there any pattern to these decisions? The Senate reports here on the 20 members who have switched parties since 1890. What's striking from a quick look at that list is the durability that these Senators had after switching parties. More often than not, they won another election after the switch. It speaks against the strict bipartisan model, assuming the underlying constituency doesn't change (perhaps that's incorrect to assume?), though it could also speak towards everyone moving towards the center as well.
There's a dissertation's worth of ideas to take from looking at this phenomenon...on to the idea list they go!
I also doubt that the magnets are cooled to "a couple degrees below absolute zero."
Monday, April 27, 2009
Saturday, April 25, 2009
How old were you when you first had sexual intercourse?
A subset of the 79 cohort was asked this question in 1983, 84, and 85. More often than not, they answered inconsistently. 1 year differences could probably be chalked up to natural error. "Was I 16 or 17 that Summer?" What do you say for a 16/20 split though? Clearly, someone is not telling the truth. But why lie to an interviewer?
After skimming the NLSY79 manual, it appears as the interviewee was not always surveyed alone (spouses, children, etc. were present). That's unfortunate, from a scientific perspective. I plan to use the lowest year offered by the interviewee. What do you think?
(The question was not repeated for males once they had offered a year, so comparisons are not possible.)
Friday, April 24, 2009
Thursday, April 23, 2009
In a free society with private currencies, contracts between currency providers and customers would establish whether inflation amounts to fraudulent behavior. Of course, private currencies are effectively banned in the US--the government is the sole provider of legal tender. So in order to claim that government sponsored inflation is fraud, we would first need to show that the government has an obligation to provide a stable currency. Does such an obligation exist? I will leave this for you to decide.
While I don't see it written as such in the article that Justin linked to, I believe the idea that taxation is theft comes from the following logical train of thought: Inflation is a tax, tax is theft, ergo, inflation is theft. Justin's point that we don't have property rights over the pecuniary value of an object is spot-on; going with that mindset, those in favor of categorizing inflation as theft also have to consider some other possibilities. The idea is that one's buying power is less; would changes in aggregate demand be theft as well? Let's say that cargo pants become a massive fad, and their price correspondingly rises. Since your buying power in terms of cargo pants has decreased, is this theft? By the previous logic, I'm not sure how it isn't. Further, when I think of theft, I think of a clear victim and a clear antagonist. Who's responsible for the cargo pants theft?
I'm also reminded of an argument that comes up in policy circles-- it comes up most often when a big box retailers move into towns. Existing businesses complain that these stores will take "their customers," as if they have a right to future business. No such right exists, and no right exists to the pecuniary value of an asset either.
My reason is that I try to teach my students that economics is about means/ends analysis. When students bring up moral issues such as any taxation is theft, I try to stay away from a moral/natural rights debate. Instead, I push my students to understand the costs/benefits of any scenario presented in class, such as the deadweight loss from taxation, not how taxation is morally wrong. Following this logic, I do not see why inflation is theft because we understand the consequences of the government printing more money, i.e. inflation. Since we know this, we can alter our behavior today to try and offset the negative costs. Just like we alter our labor supply in response to the income tax, we can alter our response to an increase in the money supply. There are significant costs to inflation, but I do not see how invoking the argument that inflation is theft helps to illuminate these costs.
For someone to steal from you, you must have property rights over that object that entitles you the right to exclusive use. The problem with the “inflation is theft” argument is that it requires a claim of property rights to a pecuniary value of an object. However, greenbacks only represent a claim on U.S. goods, services, and assets. They do not represent a claim for you to be able to receive two candy bars or an hour of parking for every dollar you posses.
Free marketer’s do not usually make this error in other domains. If someone were to claim a right to be paid as much or more for their house as what they paid for it, they would be correctly reminded that their purchase only granted them rights to the house and property, not to any pecuniary value of the home. In my view, the "inflation is theft" crowd make this error.
Now that the dissertation is done, the compile-all-of-these-indexes paper is on the list of things to do.
Wednesday, April 22, 2009
When asked about being a founder of public choice, Tullock responded by saying, "I didn't know the implications of what I was doing. I thought I was just writing an interesting book."
What was the worst application of your work?
"All genuine applications of my work are good."
So what was the worst?
"I can't think of any."
"It is not clear that politicians gain anything from reading my work. I have a theory of politics; it's not a theory of how to get ahead in politics."
What do you consider your biggest contribution?
"Teaching economists that they don't have to stick to economics."
Are we likely to slow or reverse the growth of government?
"I am afraid not. It is certainly unlikely. I would like to shrink it. But it is important to remember that our government, by world standards, is quite small."
"I would like, myself, to have a government that focuses primarily on preventing crime."
"It is not evident to me that government needs to subsidize science."
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
Luther - #2,438
Ross - #89
Ryan - #177
Schaeffer - #2,156
Skarbek - #53,047
Williamson - #245
Of all the op-eds I have written, the only piece a paper refused run was one discussing how state secession could limit the redistribution of federal funds, about three years ago.
Monday, April 20, 2009
A quick trip to the Nobel site reveals that he is yet to win a Nobel Prize for his work. From what I have read, he has made more than enough of a contribution to deserve the Prize. (Have I been misled?) In which case, the Nobel committee would suffer an embarrassment for not recognizing his work should he pass.
Agent: How do you feel about earthquake coverage?Superb, just superb. I almost never discuss any economics or political economy with her. Here I was hoping to get at some crowd wisdom while thinking about availability heuristics. My wife, as usual, provided the more relevant analysis.
Me: Have we had earthquakes in Bloomington before?
Agent: We have had earthquakes in Bloomington in the past, but they have all been very minor and haven't caused much, if any, damage.
Me: What do most Bloomington residents do?
Agent: I am rarely able to sell this coverage.
My Wife: Then if a earthquake is so big that it actually damages our house, then it will damage so many uninsured houses that the government will bail us out.
My wife is also a excellent behavioral economist (see here and here).
Sunday, April 19, 2009
Generally, you'd expect richer countries to do better-- they can better afford the economic hit that environmental regulation (like welfare systems) imposes on the economy. To that end, there are some interesting results-- most notably Colombia at #9. Most of Africa does poorly; the danger of a study like this would be to come to the conclusion that Africa is in dire need of further environmental restrictions.
"If you're emitting half the carbon dioxide that our neighbor is, that means one of two things: Either your neighbor can drive twice as much, or you're having a significant positive impact on the environment."
And it is for this reason that I thank the alternative fuel movement, since any modicum of guilt I could possibly feel for driving is mitigated knowing that others are taking the effort to compensate for my transportation pollution. Thanks, environmentalists!
Saturday, April 18, 2009
Friday, April 17, 2009
Questions to Ask:
1. Why did this change occur?
2. How does it affect the number of citizens on net? (Is there an offsetting clause which reduces the number of Canadian citizens?)
3. What are the implications for welfare programs?
Thursday, April 16, 2009
When we began up the hill, I was surprised to look back and see that two of individuals offering mule guides were leading their mules up the mountain behind us, without riders. The idea is that since the walk was pretty directly uphill, people would get tired and want a mule to complete the journey. This must happen with a frequency signficantly greater than 0%, or else this practice would prove fruitless--and tiring to boot.
Since we stopped a few times on the way up, and the mule guide stopped with us, the economist in me got to thinking-- I wonder how the price changes on the way up the hill. So every time we stopped, I asked him what the price was at that point in time. As it turned out, the price never changed from 50 quetzales.
Now, it could well be that the individual never wanted to change the price. Or, perhaps there was a different range of negotiation to be had at different points, but he never strayed from starting at 50. Fair enough. But there are a lot of factors that could go into the price of the mule on the way up the hill; perhaps they all balanced out over the course of the walk. Consider:
- Does his willingness to supply the mule change on the way up the hill? This is interesting. He's already committed the mule to going up the hill; if there's an exhaustion factor, perhaps he'd be willing to accept a lesser amount (as anything above 0 rewards the trip up to some degree). It's tough to think of a scenario where he'd only be willing to accept more-- maybe if the mule goes faster than a hiker, and since he committed the mule to the slower hiking group, he'd want more money to offset the longer time committment of the mule to a half-hike/half-mule trip up the volcano?
- Does our willingness to pay for a mule change on the way up the hill? Perhaps, but it's tough to tell which way that could affect the price. Would I want to pay less since the ride wouldn't be as long? Would I want to pay more since I have committed to the hike and wouldn't want to turn back if I could only go halfway?
- He is offering us a service by following us up the hill; after all, if I slipped and broke my leg, I'd want to be taken down the hill as quickly as possible. His decision to follow us up the hill is an insurance policy, of sorts, provided for us free of change.
Anything else? Again, I won't disagree that he decided to keep the price at 50 for ease. But then again, it's nearly costless to change the price and bargaining is in play here. Besides, it's more fun to consider the possibilities anyway.
Wednesday, April 15, 2009
Below is a screenshot of President Obama's Speech to Congress, February 24, 2009.
As for gaming the system, Many Eyes makes that difficult. When you scroll across a word, a drop down box displays the sentences in the speech where the word appears.
Tuesday, April 14, 2009
I look forward to Will's contributions. Just think, after 2 posts, he won't be at the bottom of the total posts ranking anymore! (Hi Claudia!)
While we have undoubtedly improved with Will's addition, we have also necessarily decreased the probability that the ever-elusive team photo will ever happen...
- On the business end of things, I am extremely pleased with our session at the APEE Conference. I say "our" as it was designed, at least in part, to be a TPS session. Claudia presented a nascent paper pushing the development envelope forward, finally finding a proper connection for geography, culture, institutions and growth. David presented his very enjoyable work on the economic of organized crime, with a particular emphasis on the Mexican Mafia in California. I spoke on the distribution of legislative tenure in the United States Congress and its impact on legislative productivity. I won't comment on my work, but I found the other two presentations terrifically engaging and, simply put, interesting. The three of us were discussants for each other's papers, which gave a nice, friendly groundwork for the audience to chime in after the presentations and discussant comments. I also feel that we were fortunate enough to hit the optimal number of audience members-- about 15. Any less than that, and a good enough discussion can be difficult to achieve, or comments exhaust too quickly. Any more than 15, and sometimes comments that would emerge in smaller groups remain unsaid.
I was so pleased with the session that I think we should aim for a TPS session every year-- we can even keep the Jeopardy!-inspired title of "Economics Potpourri" if we see fit. The primary goal is that the work has to be interesting; I also liked the fact that we discussed each other's papers, I think it was a nice touch that set a nice tone for the ensuing comments.
Justin was originally on the agenda as well, though he got a bit busy this semester and couldn't make the trip. I have no doubt his presentation would only have made the session a greater enjoyment for all attending.
- Also on the business end of things, we may have a new blogger joining us here at TPS...news (hopefully) to come soon.
- I had the good fortune of seeing a few places in Guatemala over the last week or so. The Mayan ruins at Tikal are stunning; it is a bit out of the way (1 hour flight from Guatemala City to Flores, then a 1 hour cab ride to the ruins) but well worth the trek. Staying the night at the park is best so an early morning entrance can happen. I had previously been to the ruins at Tulum-- those are a nice collection in and of themselves, but simply can't compare if for no other reason for the sheer size of the ruins at Tikal. Further, you are allowed (if not encouraged) to climb most of the structures at Tikal-- it's like an adult junglegym, though some of the larger temples are not for the faint of heart, especially Templo V. (Note the ladder to the top here.) Independent of convenience, if you see one thing in Guatemala, it has to be Tikal.
We also visited Antigua, which I felt was slightly overrated given the hype though nonetheless enjoyable, Monterrico, a terrific town directly on the Pacific Ocean, and climbed the Volcan Pacaya, a nice mid-level hike on an active volcano that made noise the entire trip up and back.
All in all, the country is very affordable, the food was superb, the people were very friendly, it helps to have some Spanish language knowledge but English can generally get you what you need, travel between cities can be mildly inconveient but ultimately doable, and safe as long as you aren't foolish about your whereabouts. Given its price and close proximity to the United States, it's a great warm weather destination.
I find this book the most facinating insight into causal forces driving man's actions. This text directly influences some of the research projects I am personally pursuing, and I am looking forward to reading along with Russ and Dan.
Monday, April 13, 2009
In my research on the political economy of natural disaster reconstruction, temporary housing plays a significant role in much of the political discourse and policy implementation in the aftermath of the destruction. Pictured above is designer Ming Tang's prototype for post-earthquake shelters. He describes the project as contrasted against the 1.5 million shelter homes the Chinese government plans to construct in response to an earthquake that killed 69,000 people last year. As Tang describes it,
"The central feature of our project is the development of temporary shelter to house homeless people, a kinetic structure that exhibits features of umbrella and folded fans, the potential of arranging themselves into variety of contexts and living requirements....a self reconstructive structure for instant installations, which, according to the changing internal requirements and site topography, can produce potentially infinite scenarios. The Folded House is transported to site and modified by the social, economic and cultural requirements of the user."
The Chinese equivalent of FEMA trailers. The design remains in the mind of its creator, and part and parcel with all urban designers, there are Utopian depictions of the model in use (see below). So far however, these structures have yet to be implemented by either by government or purchased for production by a private company.
Aesthetically, these emergency shelters please me in a "crouching spider" sort of way. Aside from the vast amount of waste that would result from government subsidization of this scheme, there are two potential upshots here. First, the technology of these housing units has a built-in expectation of the temporary nature of emergency housing. Second, the Folding House is subversively individualistic in design and suggested implementation. Plus, its as easy as origami.
(Hat tip to Kyle at apartmenttherapy.com)
Friday, April 10, 2009
Some of the university’s seniors are offering their tickets to his May 13 commencement speech on Craigslist for $60 to $100 apiece, and others are auctioning their tickets on eBay, according to CNN. Seniors can pick up as many as six free tickets to the event, scheduled for the university’s Sun Devil Stadium, which has a game-day capacity of 71,706. But not all seniors plan to attend — in part because of the inconvenience caused by the president’s presence. “You have to get through security, then you have to hear him speak, and then you have to get out,” said a student who told CNN he’s not going.True to CHE form, the comments start to turn batshit crazy by #3.
The university announced on a graduation Web page that no student could take “any action to sell, trade, or barter the ticket, or to assign or transfer the ticket for any consideration whatsoever.”
That is what it is like almost every day for those of us that study economics. Almost daily we watch policy makers claim they want to bring the poor out of poverty or increase the standard of living, only to have them then turn around and propose policy that does precisely the opposite. Why? Because some crazy activist with irrational, knee-jerk, and oftentimes elitist, positions on market policy want them.
Meanwhile, supporters of the bill, which the Senate will consider later this year, are demanding that the FDA ban e-cigarettes, a potentially life-saving alternative for smokers, as unauthorized drug delivery devices. Last month Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who brags that he is "one of the Senate's leaders in protecting Americans from the dangers of smoking," urged the FDA to take e-cigarettes off the market "until they are proven safe." The next day, the American Cancer Society, the American Heart Association, the American Lung Association, and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids applauded Lautenberg's position.
Michael Siegel, a professor at the Boston University School of Public Health, did not. "This is about as idiotic and irrational an approach as I have ever seen in my 22 years in tobacco control and public health," he wrote on his blog. "A public policy maker who touts himself as being a champion of the public's health as well as some of the leading national health advocacy organizations are demanding that we ban what is clearly a much safer cigarette than those on the market, but that we allow, protect, approve, and institutionalize the really toxic ones."
Wednesday, April 08, 2009
- Best Buy offered 0% financing for 18 months, allowing me to consume my future earnings today. Had they not offered this, I would have gone across the street to Sears for a similar offer.
- The home theater systems and blue ray players, major items, were sold at very competitive prices. I know this without having to visit multiple competing retailers, because I did my homework online. Since most people do their homework on large major purchases, everyone gets this low price.
- Like most retailers, Best Buy makes its profit on the cross selling of high margin items (warranties, cables, etc). This works because folks like me do their homework on the major items and forget about these supplementary items.
- I use my cell phone that has Internet Explorer, a recent innovation for cell phones, and check what Amazon retails these supplementary items. I find that Amazon will ship to me the wall mount at a price 54% below Best Buy's, and HDMI cables at 20% of Best Buy's price.
- I inform the Best Buy rep of this discrepancy, he informs his manager, who then matches the Amazon price. Total savings is about $154 on both the wall mount and HDMI cables.
- The $154 was my cell phone's marginal product, roughly equivalent to 5 months of payments I make on the phone.
Napier used this rooster to find out which of his servants had been stealing from his home. He would shut the suspects one at a time in a room with the bird, telling them to stroke it. The rooster would then tell Napier which of them was guilty. Actually, what would happen is that he would secretly coat the rooster with soot. Servants who were innocent would have no qualms about stroking it but the guilty one would only pretend he had, and when Napier examined their hands, the one with the clean hands was guilty.
Known as Avtovaz for short, it is one of the least efficient automobile factories anywhere in the world — each worker produces, on average, eight cars a year, compared with 36 cars a year at General Motors’ assembly line in Bowling Green, Ky., for example.This factory persists because of subsidization and bailouts from the Russian government. The details of the bailout are less invasive (no executive firings or requests for a new business plans), but I see that as political hubris that unintentionally serving the role of deterring more firms from finding government bailouts attractive.
The factory, a monument to Soviet gigantism in industrial design, is a panoramic sprawl of pipes and smokestacks on a bank of the Volga River, 460 miles southeast of Moscow. It employs 104,000 assembly line workers, many of whom still toil with hand-held wrenches.
Hat Tip: Dave Esposito for the link.
Tuesday, April 07, 2009
What follows is a must see. About 5 minutes long, sorry, no embed option.
The student is the far better statesman. Frank is understandably defensive, as people are coming around to recognize his level of involvement.
Hat Tip: Jason Oberle
Can a rational choice modeling framework help broaden our understanding of anorexia nervosa? This question is interesting because anorexia nervosa is a serious health concern, and because of the following issue: could a rational choice approach shed useful light on a condition which appears to involve "choosing" to be ill? We present a model of weight choice and dieting applicable to anorexia nervosa, and the sometimes-associated purging behavior. We also present empirical evidence about factors possibly contributing to anorexia nervosa. We offer this analysis as a consciousness-raising way of thinking about the condition.
This would be like saying Walmart created its own currency when it started creating gift cards. An interesting part about this system though is while you can purchase almost everything at Walmart, people would be protesting if this company started paying their employees with gift cards....what happens though when participating members want to go on vacation in an area beyond Ithaca's borders?...What if they wanted to purchase a car that is not created in Ithaca and therefore does not accept Ithaca Hours as trading power? What if a neighboring community has higher quality products or lower prices on equal goods?Indeed,Claudia has pointed out that coal mines in West Virginia often provided their own "company stores" as part of a package of benefits to their employees, and that company store "price gouging" was a myth. There is no functional difference between company stores, gift cards, and local currency.
On the surface Ithica Hours do seem to be voluntary, employers don't have to pay them and employees don't have to accept them. Given all the constraints Witmer points out, why does anyone adopt them? This isn't the Great Depression, where the federal money supply was choked off.
The motivation of the organization behind Ithica Hours seem to be your run-of-the-mill buy local fallacy, and amusingly they clearly recognize the advantages of expanding membership to as many people as possible. The organization appears to attract members by creating networking and advertising opportunities, as well as offering business loans in Ithica Hours at a interest rate of zero percent.
This subsidization appears to rely on donations, so fortunately the unseen consequences of the underlying fallacy are largely voluntary in their distribution. Since it is voluntary buy local bias, the people who prefer them are probably only substituting the color of their money, so the marginal cost of this program is probably pretty small.
Monday, April 06, 2009
Friday, April 03, 2009
Their calculations-- and they admit this in certain places-- are skewed a bit by income levels. You'll notice that the states they project to have the earliest Tax Freedom Days next year are Louisiana, Mississippi, South Dakota, and West Virginia-- not exactly the top of the income charts. Of course, higher income states pay more in taxes due to the progressive income tax system at the federal level (and in a number of states, too). So that needs to be kept in mind when looking at these listings-- it's tempting to look at the earliest date and say that its citizens are subject to the kindest tax system, in relative terms. Well, they are the least burdened-- but that's not entirely a function of their state's tax system compared to everyone else's. In fact, you could have an elasticity issue here-- the increase in taxes paid due to a poor system balanced by the decrease in taxes paid due to the poor system harming economic growth. (Though there are a number of margins here-- corporate, income, property, etc.-- this is just a generalization.) The Tax Freedom Day figures would suggest that the latter is winning. Which could also suggest we're all on the upper portion of the Laffer curve.
I'm trying to imagine how one could adjust for this; though maybe you wouldn't want to?
Thursday, April 02, 2009
Emily successfully defended her dissertation and has taken a job at San Jose State.
Claudia joins Bill Easterly's Research Development Institute at NYU.
Everyone is very happy for you both!
I like this post-- capping salaries is plainly absurd-- though ticket prices would change. Prices are determined by the interaction of supply and demand, and capping salaries affects the offer (supply) curve for ticket prices. If nothing else, capping salaries affects the fixed cost, and that monkeys with the average total cost curve. The effects on the prices of everything else could be argued a lot of ways. Ceteris paribus isn't terribly easy here.
Give the blog a read-- I'll add it to the Rolodex. Thankfully, we have categories for blogs, politics and sports. Wasn't a tough choice there.
Wednesday, April 01, 2009
1) Not liking something is not a reason to tax it, not in the economic sense anyway. Though it just struck me that it might be a good example of the divide between political costs and economic costs. Perhaps we should tax the "hot, juicy steak" smoke since I don't like the feeling of hunger it encourages?
2) Some people say that taxing cigarettes is good since people "have to have them," i.e., the demand for them is inelastic. Fair enough; low deadweight loss in taxation is a reasonable goal, and Ramsey would be proud. Then people come around and say it's good to tax them because it will significantly reduce their consumption, and that's a good thing since cigarettes are little white evil sticks. I want these people to argue with each other. Sometimes it's the same people saying both things.
3) Saying that taxing smokers makes fiscal sense since "it hits us in our pocketbooks eventually" (via public health care) is a misplaced argument; that's a problem with the public provision of health, not the smoking of cigarettes.
Let it also be said that I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, don't anticipate doing so and hope that I don't, yet cigarette taxation, and its increasing excess, is an embarassment.
I'm also curious if a study has been done to compare, in a cost/benefit framework, the costs of increased public medical burden due to smoking, but in light of the increased benefits of early death to the Social Security system.